2019-5-20 - NCPT CPG Meeting
NCPT CPG
Date
4/15/2019
Alison Steiber (asteiber)
Angela Vivanti (avivanti) x
Brenda Hotson (bhotson)Constantina Papoutsakis (cpapoutsakis) xDonna Pertel (dpertel) xElisabet Rothenberg (erothenberg)Ian Green (igreen)Jane Millar (jmillar) xJim Case (jcase)Lee Unangst (lunangst)Luise Persson Kopp (lpkopp) xLyn Lloyd (llloyd) xMarlis Elizabeth Atkins (matkins)Naomi Trostler (ntrostler)Nathan Billing (nbilling)Sissi Stove Lorentzen (sslorentzen)William Swan (wswan) xZac Whitewood-Moores (zwhitewood)Penni Hernandez (Unlicensed) x
Attendees present marked with an "x" after their names.
Apologies
Discussion items
Item | Description | Owner | Notes | Action |
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1 | Welcome/Roll Call | C.Papoutsakis | Roll call taken |
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2 | Agenda and Approval of Minutes | C.Papoutsakis | Bill motions to approve minutes, Lee seconds. Approved with no objections |
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3 | Discussion of Project Timeline | J.Millar | Jane: SNOMED and AND are forming an agreement to deal with copyright issues and commit to maintaining the content. Determining the duration of the project needs to be determined. AND suggests about 3 years. Jane believes things may change to make things happen more quickly. Second important aspect is that when content is submitted, plenty of time is being left for the content to be processed. Tina: how long before cutoff should we discontinue submissions. Lee and Penni will work on assuring timelines are established and met. |
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4 | CRS Submission Review | L.Unangst | Review of progress with term submission. Tina: Nathan asked whether in this work we will be adding new terms. The scope of work is to work with the existing content of published editions of NCPT. We are not developing new NCPT terms. |
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5 | Proposed Hierarchies | L.Unangst | Water and fluid intake voted. - Approved Other Terms: Tina moves for vote. Donna seconds. Jane asks is used globally, Angela provided information.
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6 | Laboratory Observables in SNOMED | L.Unangst | SNOMED Laboratory Values haven't been explored yet. Luise - translated almost everything from NCPT. Hard work because even among hospitals there are vast differences in denmark. Donna and Tina: Pull terms from the pilot for discussion from the pilot. Tina asks if discussion can be facilitated on Confluence by providing the materials early. A full list of 2019 lab terms will be provided with the pilot list to enable group members to assess what terms should be included. |
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Meeting Files
Previous Meetings
Comments
Nathan,
The minutes for April are available; although they may not contain the detail desired and this is an area that we can improve. This screen shot shows the location of the minutes (notes in the agenda from April). The approved hierarchy document there also shows the specific decisions arrived at by the CPG. The change in the hierarchy from ‘Energy’ to ‘Food’ reflects an evolution of the discussion topics. Your first screen shot is from April and shows that Energy is under Nutrient in SNOMED which the CPG rejected. They supported that Energy be moved to be a sibling of Nutrient Intake. This was communicated to SNOMED and we are waiting for confirmation that this suggestion was accepted and will appear in the new release. Since that is resolved, the group is now moving to the topic of Food intake for this call. Some concepts like, Number of meals estimated in 24 hours and Number of snacks estimated in 24 hours, will likely be new observable submissions because they don’t exist in SNOMED, but where there are terms that exist, the Academy will request a synonym.
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Donna
All,
I will not be able to attend this meeting, it is proving a bit harder to get to as they are now at 7am. I did however want to try provide some input but looking at the document for discussion it is hard to tell what it is we are trying to discuss.
Furthermore there seems to be some issue in how things have changed from the last meeting to the current one when i compared the two documents the first seems to have the hierarchy configuration changed from Energy to Food intake.
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I also could not see the minutes in the details for the last meeting
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Or in the Minutes section
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I would really like to help and have a good understanding of SNOMED CT and it would be great to get an idea of what we are trying to achieve.
Looking at some of the terms we have under the proposed hierarchy terms like the following
Number of meals estimated in 24 hours
Number of snacks estimated in 24 hours
These conceptually seem to cross into the real of a qualifier value or a situation with explicit context.
Please could you articulate a little more about what we are trying to do and indicate whether these are terms you are looking at
Are we looking at terms to add, i.e creating new terms
Are we looking at terms we are hoping to map under this heirachy from somewhere else
?? are we looking at creating synonyms for other terms
Sorry I missed the second meeting and please advise when what I can do to help in my absence.
Kind regards,
Nathan Billing