Events, Conditions, Episodes Project Group meeting agenda 08-08-2016
Date
2016-08-08
Time: 19:00 UTC
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Invitees
Ed Cheetham
Yongsheng Gao
stefan.schulz (Unlicensed)
Former user (Deleted)
Rob Hausam
Jim Case
Penni Hernandez (Unlicensed)
Krista Lilly
Phil Brown
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Penni Hernandez (Unlicensed)
Apologies
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General Comments
See agenda below
Lat meeting 7/25/2016 not recorded
Item | Description | Owner | Item | Comments/Files |
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1 | Welcome and role call | BGO |
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2 | Review of previous meeting minutes and actions
Combined disorders - Question from Phil Brown
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BGO
BGO |
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Refer to Discussion page under operative complications for proposed changes to model
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3 | Authors combined disorder modeling test | BGO, PHE
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| For discussion
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5 | Gallstone complications | BGO | Editorial guidance required
| For discussion |
6 | Face to face meeting in Wellington - Oct. 2016 | BGO |
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7 | AOB, adjourn | ALL |
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Previous Meetings
FWIW, I rather like the interim solution proposed by PBR, where there is an IS-A relationship to the caused disorder and a DUE TO relationship to the "causing" disorder.
For the future, an alternative to representing concurrency with two IS-A relationships would be to use the temporal relationship attributes in the ASSOCIATED WITH role hierarchy. For example, we could consider re-structuring that hierarchy along the following lines:
ASSOCIATED WITH
CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP
CAUSATIVE AGENT
DUE TO
TEMPORAL RELATIONSHIP
BEFORE
DURING
DURING AND AFTER
AFTER
This approach would seem to have the advantage of providing a "clean separation" between causal relationships and temporal relationships:
If you know about a causal relationship but know nothing about a temporal relationship, then only use one of the causal relationship attributes
If you know about a temporal relationship but know nothing about a causal relationship, then only use one of the temporal relationship attributes
If you know about both a causal relationship and a temporal relationship, then use both a causal relationship attribute and a temporal relationship attribute
To query for "concurrent disorders," you would search for values of the DURING and DURING AND AFTER attributes. Presumably, you would not have to worry about causal relationships, since the "clean separation" means that a causal relationship attribute implies nothing about time. If you want to search for "concurrent and due to" disorders, you would search for values of DURING and DURING AND AFTR (for the "concurrent" part) and DUE TO (for the "due to" part).
The TEMPORAL RELATIONSHIP role sub-hierarchy might need to be "tweaked" to better represent Allen's intervals, but that's another discussion.
In any event, the approach described above seems easier to understand and explain, IMHO.