December 2019 meeting minutes ECE Project Group

December 2019 meeting minutes ECE Project Group

 

Date

2019-12-09

Time: 20:00 UTC 

 

Attendees

Bruce Goldberg
Former user (Deleted)
Jim Case
Yongsheng Gao
Phil Brown
Former user (Deleted)
Monica Harry
Former user (Deleted)
Penni Hernandez (Unlicensed)
Ed Cheetham
David Robinson
Rob Hausam
Robert McClure (Unlicensed)
Former user (Deleted)
stefan.schulz (Unlicensed)
Former user (Deleted)
Jeff Pierson (Unlicensed)
Daniel Karlsson
Cathy Richardson 
Krista Lilly


Apologies

Jim Case
Nicola Ingram

Rob Hausam

Former user (Deleted)

 

 

General Comments

  • Follow-up of face to face meeting in London April 10, 09:00-12:30

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1

Welcome and role call

Bruce Goldberg

 

 

2

2019 ECE PG meeting in KL

Bruce Goldberg

Review of decisions reached at October 2019 business meeting in Kuala Lumpur

3

Complications of procedures

Bruce Goldberg

Test of new model for procedure complications using defining rather than subtype relationship

  • General consensus obtained for:

    • Disorder X due to Procedure Y to be modeled with a parent of Complication (disorder)

    • Disorder X due to and after (nonsurgical) Procedure Y to be modeled with both Complication (disorder) and Sequela (disorder) parents

    • Model for procedure complications using a defining relationship (Complication (attribute) = Disease x (disorder)) does not appear to add value.

      • Will discuss results with Guillermo Reynoso

4

Injuries

Bruce Goldberg

 

Modeling injuries that can be traumatic and/or nontraumatic

  • General consensus obtained for:

    • Review 37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality)|hierarchy and assure inclusion of any morphologies represented under injury chapter in ICD-11 as well as any nontraumatic morphologies currently in SNOMED CT

    • Retire 19130008 |Traumatic abnormality (morphologic abnormality)|and move all descendants under 37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality) while replacing all concepts with “traumatic” in the FSN with morphologies that do not state “traumatic”

    • Retire existing nontraumatic morphologies and replace with morphology without “nontraumatic” in FSN while moving under 37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality)|

    • Define injuries using associated morphology = <<37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality) +

      • Due to 773760007 |Traumatic event (event)|for traumatic injuries

      • Due to 789750003 |Spontaneous event (event)|for nontraumatic injuries

    • Additions to the terminology should specify intent through FSN or text definition as to whether etiology is traumatic, nontraumatic or either

    • Naming of existing content – options

      • Rename all concepts with traumatic morphologies to Traumatic

      • Create Traumatic and/or nontraumatic injury of X (disorder) as new concepts for existing content represented as both traumatic injuries and nontraumatic injuries

 

5

Pregnancy/labor/delivery function observables

Bruce Goldberg

Proposal to inactivate these in favor of clinical findings

  • Tabled for next meeting

6

Dupuytren disease and contracture

Bruce Goldberg

Proposed modeled for Dupuytren disease and Dupuytren contracture

  • Tabled for next meeting

8

AOB, adjourn

ALL

Next call, January 13, 2020

  • Topics to be discussed:

    • Pregnancy/labor/delivery function observables

    • Dupuytren disease and contracture

    • Test model for traumatic and/or nontraumatic injuries

    • Model for accidental injuries/poisonings

    • Test multiple due tos/causative agents causal chain model

 


 

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