December 2019 meeting minutes ECE Project Group

December 2019 meeting minutes ECE Project Group



Date

2019-12-09

Time: 20:00 UTC 



Attendees

@Bruce Goldberg
@Former user (Deleted)
@Jim Case
@Yongsheng Gao
@Phil Brown
@Former user (Deleted)
@Monica Harry
@Former user (Deleted)
@Penni Hernandez
@Ed Cheetham
@David Robinson
@Rob Hausam
@Robert McClure
@Former user (Deleted)
@stefan.schulz
@Former user (Deleted)
@Jeff Pierson
@Daniel Karlsson
@Cathy Richardson 
@Krista Lilly


Apologies

@Jim Case
@Nicola Ingram

@Rob Hausam

@Former user (Deleted)





General Comments

  • Follow-up of face to face meeting in London April 10, 09:00-12:30

Item

Description

Owner

Item

Comments/Files

Item

Description

Owner

Item

Comments/Files

1

Welcome and role call

@Bruce Goldberg





2

2019 ECE PG meeting in KL

@Bruce Goldberg

Review of decisions reached at October 2019 business meeting in Kuala Lumpur

3

Complications of procedures

@Bruce Goldberg

Test of new model for procedure complications using defining rather than subtype relationship

  • General consensus obtained for:

    • Disorder X due to Procedure Y to be modeled with a parent of Complication (disorder)

    • Disorder X due to and after (nonsurgical) Procedure Y to be modeled with both Complication (disorder) and Sequela (disorder) parents

    • Model for procedure complications using a defining relationship (Complication (attribute) = Disease x (disorder)) does not appear to add value.

      • Will discuss results with @Guillermo Reynoso

4

Injuries

@Bruce Goldberg



Modeling injuries that can be traumatic and/or nontraumatic

  • General consensus obtained for:

    • Review 37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality)|hierarchy and assure inclusion of any morphologies represented under injury chapter in ICD-11 as well as any nontraumatic morphologies currently in SNOMED CT

    • Retire 19130008 |Traumatic abnormality (morphologic abnormality)|and move all descendants under 37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality) while replacing all concepts with “traumatic” in the FSN with morphologies that do not state “traumatic”

    • Retire existing nontraumatic morphologies and replace with morphology without “nontraumatic” in FSN while moving under 37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality)|

    • Define injuries using associated morphology = <<37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality) +

      • Due to 773760007 |Traumatic event (event)|for traumatic injuries

      • Due to 789750003 |Spontaneous event (event)|for nontraumatic injuries

    • Additions to the terminology should specify intent through FSN or text definition as to whether etiology is traumatic, nontraumatic or either

    • Naming of existing content – options

      • Rename all concepts with traumatic morphologies to Traumatic

      • Create Traumatic and/or nontraumatic injury of X (disorder) as new concepts for existing content represented as both traumatic injuries and nontraumatic injuries



5

Pregnancy/labor/delivery function observables

@Bruce Goldberg

Proposal to inactivate these in favor of clinical findings

  • Tabled for next meeting

6

Dupuytren disease and contracture

@Bruce Goldberg

Proposed modeled for Dupuytren disease and Dupuytren contracture

  • Tabled for next meeting

8

AOB, adjourn

ALL

Next call, January 13, 2020

  • Topics to be discussed:

    • Pregnancy/labor/delivery function observables

    • Dupuytren disease and contracture

    • Test model for traumatic and/or nontraumatic injuries

    • Model for accidental injuries/poisonings

    • Test multiple due tos/causative agents causal chain model






Previous Meetings

TitleCreatorModified
No content found.





Copyright © 2025, SNOMED International