June 8, 2020 meeting minutes ECE Project Group

June 8, 2020 meeting minutes ECE Project Group



Date

Monday 2020-06-08

Repeats 2nd Monday of every month

Time: 18:00 UTC 



Invitees

@Bruce Goldberg
@Former user (Deleted)
@Jim Case
@Yongsheng Gao
@Phil Brown
@Former user (Deleted)
@Monica Harry
@Ed Cheetham
@David Robinson
@Rob Hausam
@Robert McClure
@Former user (Deleted)
@stefan.schulz
@Former user (Deleted)
@Daniel Karlsson
@Cathy Richardson 
@Krista Lilly 
@Nicola Ingram 
@Jeff Pierson 
@Former user (Deleted)



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General Comments



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Reminder to record call

1

Welcome and role call

@Bruce Goldberg





2

After and Co-occurrent with

@Bruce Goldberg

  • Review definition of "after"

  • Naming convention for "co-occurrent with"

  • Consensus was that after relationships should include overlap

  • Discussion ensued as to whether "due to" implies after

    • Likely the case for traumatic injuries (after traumatic event)

    • Need evaluation for other combined disorders

@Bruce Goldberg to test moving Due to (attribute) under After (attribute)
@Bruce Goldberg to find examples where due to may not imply after and where after may not imply due to



3

Fetal/maternal modeling

@Phil Brown

  • Follow-up of additional modeling

@Phil Brown to test a new attribute to associate fetal/maternal states with procedures

4

Pregnancy/labor/delivery function observables

@Bruce Goldberg

  • Proposal to inactivate these

  • Tabled for next call

5

Non-traumatic brain injuries and stroke

@Bruce Goldberg

  • Revised models for stroke using either multiple due to's vs. additional explicit statements in an axiom and incorporating new model for non-traumatic brain injuries

Concern voiced over losing causative condition as a parent.

  • Needs more discussion

@Bruce Goldberg to retest model of 724994008 |Cerebral ischemic stroke due to stenosis of extracranial large artery (disorder)| using due to 1055001 |Stenosis of precerebral artery (disorder)| 

6

Botulism

@Bruce Goldberg

  • Proposed model for botulism and subtypes

  • Tabled for next call

7

AOB, adjourn

ALL

  • AOB

  • Next call scheduled for Monday July 13 at 18:00 UTC

  • Additional topics for next call

    • For depositions that are also degenerative morphologies, model the deposition morphology with Deposition (morphologic abnormality) and Degenerative abnormality (morphologic abnormality) parents - present results of additional testing

    • Should retained foreign bodies be modeled as events or disorders? -present results of testing

      • Retain event concepts

      • Create new disorder concepts of the type Disorder due to foreign body left in Body Structure

      • Add an after relationship to surgical procedure when appropriate so that concept is subsumed by 385486001 |Postoperative complication (disorder)|

    • New model for rheumatoid arthritis

      • @Bruce Goldberg to review Singh K, Al-Sadawi M, Ortega RR, et al. Interstitial Lung Disease as the Initial Manifestation of Rheumatoid Arthritis: A Case Report and Review of the Literature. American Journal of Medical to determine what prompted the ordering of RF prior to articular symptoms.






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