27 October 2019 ECE Project Group face to face meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia meeting minutes

27 October 2019 ECE Project Group face to face meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia meeting minutes

 

 

Date

2019-10-27

Time:  09:00-17:00 (local time)

 

Attendees

1

NAME

AFFILIATION

E-MAIL

2

Bruce Goldberg

KP

bruce.j.goldberg@kp.org

3

Penni Hernandez

SNOMED

phe@snomed.org

4

Paul Amos*

SNOMED

pam@snomed.org

5

Yongsheng Gao

SNOMED

yga@ihtsdo.org

6

Dr. Ramamurthiju Janakara Venkata

General delegate, India

Ramamurthiju@gmail.com

7

Jim Campbell

University of Nebraska

campbell@unmc.edu

8

Ivy Lt

Singapore

ivyliyn@ihis.com.sg

9

Hanafiah Mohammad

General delegate Strateq, My

mhanafiah@strateqgroup.com

10

Monica Harry

SNOMED

mha@snomed.org

11

Stefan Schultz

University of Graz

steschu@gmail.com

12

Jeff Pierson

IMO

jpierson@imo-online.com

13

Andy Kanter

IMO

akanter@imo-online.com

14

Jim Case

SNOMED

jca@snomed.org

15

Toni Morrison

SNOMED

tmo@snomed.org

*Attending remotely

Apologies

@Krista Lilly

 

General Comments

Item

Description

Owner

Item

Comments/Files

Decisions

Item

Description

Owner

Item

Comments/Files

Decisions

1

Welcome and role call

@Bruce Goldberg

 

 

 

2

Complication model revisited

@Bruce Goldberg

 

Consistency of applying appropriate model is being questioned

  1. Remove complication parent from concepts of the form X (disorder) due to Y (disorder)

  2. @Bruce Goldberg to test new model for Complication of procedure using unapproved Complication (attribute) attribute.

3

Manifestations of multisystem disorders

@Bruce Goldberg

Using simple co-occurrence vs. a parent specific for a systemic manifestation of a multisystem disease (e.g. extrarticular rheumatoid arthritis)

  1. Model manifestations of multisystem inflammatory disorders as shown below for rheumatoid carditis

3

Genetics model of disease causality 

@Jim Campbell

@Jim Campbell to present work he has done on linking genetic diseases to a causal mutation

  1. @Jim Campbell to develop prototype for a model to extend the SNOMED CT concept model  for defining the molecular/genetic etiology of disease, ideally linking to scientific ontologies such as Human Genome Nomenclature and Uniprot in the SNOMED stated form employing additional OWL axioms. 

5

New model for sequelae

@Bruce Goldberg

@Yongsheng Gao

Proposal for new model for sequelae based on GCIs

  1. Agreement on modeling 362977000 |Sequela (disorder)|using GCIs

  2. Sequela of procedures will be modeled using both due to after relationships

    1. Exception is perioperative complications which are modeled as after 387713003 |Surgical procedure (procedure)| but without a due to relationship to 387713003 |Surgical procedure (procedure)|

    2. @Bruce Goldberg to test above model

  3. @Bruce Goldberg to test alternate model for X due to and after Y using a new combined attribute of Due to and after (attribute)

6

Pregnancy/labor/delivery function observables

@Bruce Goldberg

Proposal to inactivate these in favor of clinical findings

  1. Tabled due to lack of time

8

Injuries

@Bruce Goldberg

Further refinements of injury model

  1. Traumatic injuries can be modeled as due to 773760007 |Traumatic event (event)|

  2. Nontraumatic injuries can be modeled as due to 789750003 |Spontaneous event (event)|

  3. No decision made for how to model injuries that are unspecified as to whether traumatic or nontraumatic and can be both

    1. Suggestion made to retain 37782003 |Damage (morphologic abnormality)| hierachy and review for appropriate descendants

    2. Difficulty in defining injury/damage remains challenging

9

Fractures

@Bruce Goldberg

Further refinements of fracture model

  1. See above as relates to traumatic, pathologic and unspecified fractures.

11

Dupuytren disease and contracture

@Bruce Goldberg

Proposed modeled for Dupuytren disease and Dupuytren contracture

  1. Tabled due to lack of time

12

Use of multiple due tos/causative agents

@Bruce Goldberg

Is it appropriate to use multiple due tos and/or causative agents relationships to represent causal chains

Example : 717946000 |Megaloblastic anemia due to vitamin B12 deficiency secondary to intestinal disease (disorder)|

Current model:

Proposed model:

Create Vitamin B12 deficiency due to intestinal disease (disorder)

then 717946000 |Megaloblastic anemia due to vitamin B12 deficiency secondary to intestinal disease (disorder)|

isA 53165003 |Megaloblastic anemia (disorder)|

due to Vitamin B12 deficiency due to intestinal disease (disorder)

13

Bullet points

@Bruce Goldberg

All

 

 

 


 

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