LOINC Components: Age and Gestational age
Hi,
Following a brief discussion that we had April business meetings regarding mapping of these components, I am posting the query as a discussion item looking for feedback: can we consider "Age" as a property?
Here are the list associated LOINC terms:
Thanks,
Farzaneh
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Comments
If we use the "process" alternative we could have two separate processes for "chronological age" and for "gestational age". The processes would be "life" / "the period from birth to death" vs. "gestation". This way we would avoid having to state the starting point or end point but we should also consider the future costs of "technological debt"! If we will eventually need this expressiveness, there will be a major cost adjusting existing content.
That seems tempting in some respects, but in actuality I don't believe that the processes are actually distinct, so modeling them as such could have some potential consequences (as I think you are stating). The continuum is from conception to death, and the difference is in the starting and ending points (there are other related considerations, of course, such as "personhood", which I'm not attempting to comment on here). So I think we would want to try to model it taking into account the different starting and ending points, if that's possible. But I don't recall exactly how you were suggesting it would look if we did that.
OIMP meeting in Bratislava:
Reviewed the two modelling options with examples of use of additional attribute-values:
Quality observable with age as property
| Observable | :
| Property | = | New | Age |,
| Inheres in | = | Patient | / | Human being | OR | Human oocyte donor (person) | OR | Specimen |,
| Precondition | = | New | At time of diagnosis |,
| Techniques | = | Calculation Technique|
Process Observable with property = Duration
| Observable | :
| Property | = | New | Duration |,
| Characterizes | = | Life |, |Gestation/Development|, |Sample degradation|
| Inheres In (similar attribute?) = | Patient | / | Human being | OR | Human oocyte donor (person) | OR | Specimen |,
| Precondition = | New | At time of diagnosis|
| Techniques | = | Calculation Technique|
Examples in SNOMED and LOINC:
Age in patient:
424144002 | Current chronological age (observable entity) |
30525-0 | Age (Age:Time:Pt:^Patient:Qn)
Age in someone other than patient:
443443002 | Age of carer (observable entity) |
68327-6 | Egg donor age (Age:Time:Pt:^Egg donor:Qn )
Age of fetus:
57036006 | Fetal gestational age (observable entity) |
18185-9 | Gestational age (Gestational age:Time:Pt:^Fetus:Qn)
Age of something:
167816006 | Semen sample age (observable entity) |
49546-5 | Age of Blood specimen (Specimen age:Time:Pt:Bld:Qn)
Age at X (X is a precondition):
412726003 | Length of gestation at birth (observable entity) |
445872007 | Length of gestation at time of procedure (observable entity) |
63932-8 | Age at diagnosis (Age at diagnosis:Time:Pt:^Patient:Qn)
Age by Y technique: e.g
123980006 | Bone age (observable entity):
29553-5 | Age calculated (Age:Time:Pt:^Patient:Qn:Calculated)
Age at X (precondition) by Y (technique)
444135009 | Estimated fetal gestational age at delivery (observable entity) |
Discussions:
Use Process Observable model for age ( as well as duration).
Ease of modeling uses cases like gestational age, neonatal age, chronological age and easier to express change from gestation to life
Expand the range of characterizes to include Procedures)
Add Inheres In = Patient when the attribute/value applies.
Fetal age characterizes gestation process and starts from conception up to and terminated by birth. Inheres in Fetal structure. Neonatal age is Age immediately after birth/delivery and characterizes life, which inheres In the patient (baby).
Change "sample degradation process" to "sample aging process"
Add definitions to the added processes (e.g. gestation process)
Chronological is required in the Chronological age to differentiate it from Biological age, bone age, etc.
Deprecate existing concept “105727008 | Age AND/OR growth period (observable entity) |
Remaining item:
What is the difference if any between "At time of birth" and "at time of delivery".
Is a precondition required for existing concept “424144002 | Current chronological age (observable entity) |". Should we remove description "age" from this concept and add it to New | Chronological age |
The range for Inheres In needs to change to include descendants of 125676002 | Person (person)?
Does the same extension applies to 14679004 | Occupation (occupation) | → e.g. Carer in “Age of carer”
Action Item:
Farzaneh Ashrafi and Suzanne Santamaria: Submit a request for MRCM change: Expand the range of characterizes to include Procedures
Daniel Karlsson: Update Inception / Elaboration document to consider the above noted change
Summary of discussions in OIMP call, August 2017 (To be continued in the next OIMP call):
Two models to consider:
1) Age as "property" (Quantity observable)
2) Age as "process duration" (Process observable, characterizes life process)
Swapna noted that there other LOINC terms that contain age as "age at". We need to consider them as well:
LOINC_NUM
LONG_COMMON_NAME
COMPONENT
PROPERTY
TIME_ASPCT
SYSTEM
SCALE_TYP
39016-1
Age at death
Age at death
Time
Pt
^Patient
Qn
42797-1
Age at first pregnancy
Age at first pregnancy
Time
Pt
^Patient
Qn
42798-9
Age at menarche
Age at menarche
Time
Pt
^Patient
Qn
42802-9
Age at menopause
Age at menopause
Time
Pt
^Patient
Qn
35267-4
Age at pathology Dx
Age at pathology Dx
Time
Pt
^Patient
Qn
Also consider the following:
LOINC_NUM
LONG_COMMON_NAME
COMPONENT
PROPERTY
TIME_ASPCT
SYSTEM
SCALE_TYP
49546-5
Age of Blood specimen
Specimen age
Time
Pt
Bld
Qn
57900-3
Age of Unspecified specimen
Specimen age
Time
Pt
XXX
Qn