Welcome and agenda

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Any feedback on syntax changes

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LOINC semantics update

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Following:

• Concerns about the semantics of LOINC:

  • We need to understand the semantics of the LOINC SNOMED CT Edition so that we can provide advice about how these LOINC alternate identifiers in ECL should be used. @Kai Kewley to contact Jim more information. Should LOINC attributes be used?

  • DK- The LOINC domain is fairly flat.

    • Subtypes may come in when one concept may have a method specified and another code is very similar but does not have method specified.

    • Loinc parts may also have subsumption 

Review Draft ECL Guide Updates

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• 6.1 Simple Expression Constraints #AlternateIdentifier

• 6.12 Top and Bottom

• Appendix D - ECL Quick Reference

Topics for Oct Conference

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• DK: Discussion of postcoordination transformations for Level 1+ or Level 2

  • use of template language?

  • Transformation choice interactive?

• KK: PCE expression maintenance

• JR: History supplements - Deprecate the WAS-A historic association? Causes implementation issues.

  • Bring in other groups? Editorial EAG

The items below are currently on hold

URIs for language instances

ON HOLD

ECL v2.1 - Requirement proposals (to be archived)

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ON HOLD -

Potential requirements for ECL v2.1 - Discussion and brainstorming

• Daniel's comments

  • An explanation of the results of this ECL: <<385540001 |Olmesartan containing drug| MINUS (<<763158003 |Medicinal product (product)|: { <<127489000 |Active ingredient| = <<412259001 |Olmesartan| })

  • Cardinality of focus concepts is not supported (Example use case: which concepts have 2 or more stated IsAs)

  • (Related) Using 116680003 |Is a (attribute)| in refinement/dotted expressions, e.g. 395026007.116680003, 395026007:[2..*]116680003=*
    Snowstorm and Ontoserver give different results for dotted expressions.
    https://snowstorm-alpha.ihtsdotools.org/snowstorm/snomed-ct/fhir/ValueSet/$expand?_format=json&count=10&url=http:%2F%2Fsnomed.info%2Fsct%3Ffhir_vs%3Decl%2F395026007.116680003
    https://r4.ontoserver.csiro.au/fhir/ValueSet/$expand?_format=json&count=10&url=http:%2F%2Fsnomed.info%2Fsct%3Ffhir_vs%3Decl%2F395026007.116680003

  • We've done history for concepts but not for any other components...

    Realizing the information on inactive concepts is different and more extensive from other components, {{ + HISTORY... }} is (just) sugar and maybe just maybe there might be reasons to sprinkle other components with this sweetness (or not).

    Examples: previously active refset members (and their fields), previously active descriptions (e.g. Refers to association refset), ...

• Context supplements - e.g.

  • << 56265001 |Heart disease|  {{ + CONTEXT }} – This syntax is too general, as there is a risk of including absent finding, not-done procedure and family history

  • << 56265001 |Heart disease| {{ + CONTEXT-DEFAULT }} ? – What would this mean?

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    • Brief form:

      • [[@ecl_query]] {{ + Context (Temporal = [[ @temporal_value]]}}

    • Expanded form:

      • [[ @ecl_query ]] OR  (< 243796009 |Situation with explicit context|:
                { ( 246090004 |Associated finding| = ( [[ @ecl_query ]] ) 
                       OR |Associated procedure| = ( [[ @ecl_query ]] )
                 ( |Procedure context| = |Done| OR |Finding context| = |Known present|),
                    |Subject relationship context| = |Subject of record|,
                     |Temporal context| = [[ @temporal_value ]] } )

    • Example 1: << |Heart procedure| {{ + Context (Temporal = *) }}

      • <<  |Heart procedure| OR  (< 243796009 |Situation with explicit context|:
                { 246090004 |Associated finding| = << 56265001 |Heart disease|,
                    |Procedure context| = |Done|,
                    |Subject relationship context| = |Subject of record|,
                     |Temporal context| = * } )

      • Example 2: (<< |Heart disease| OR << |Heart procedure| ) {{ + Context (Temporal = *) }}

        • <<  |Heart procedure| OR  (< 243796009 |Situation with explicit context|:
                  { ( 246090004 |Associated finding| = (<< |Heart disease| OR << |Heart procedure| ) 
                         OR |Associated procedure| = ( << |Heart disease| OR << |Heart procedure| ) )
                      ( |Procedure context| = |Done| OR |Finding context| = |Known present|),
                      |Subject relationship context| = |Subject of record|,
                       |Temporal context| = * } )

    • << 56265001 |Heart disease| {{ + Context (Temporal = *, FindingContext=<<|Known present| }}

      • Will return all types of heart disease, plus concepts like 394886001 |Suspected heart disease (situation)|, and 429007001 |History of cardiac arrest (situation)|

      • Expands to: 

        • << 56265001 |Heart disease| OR
            (< 243796009 |Situation with explicit context|:
                  { 246090004 |Associated finding| = << 56265001 |Heart disease| } )

  • However, you may want to exclude (or include) specific contexts - for example:

    1. To ensure that the finding was about the subject of the record (and not a family history, e.g. to exclude 429959009 |Family history of heart failure (situation)|), you could say:

       • << 56265001 |Heart disease|  {{ + CONTEXT (relationship = 410604004 |Subject of record| }}

    2. To ensure that the finding was 'Known present' (e.g. to exclude 394926003 |Heart disease excluded (situation)|), you could say:

       • << 56265001 |Heart disease|  {{ + CONTEXT (finding_context = << 410515003 |Known present| }}

    3. To ensure that the finding was about the subject of the record AND known present, you could say:

       • << 56265001 |Heart disease|  {{ + CONTEXT (relationship = 410604004 |Subject of record|, 
                                                                                                   finding_context = << 410515003 |Known present| }}

    4. ?? Is there any use case for restricting adding temporal context? (e.g. temporal != << 410513005 |In the past|)

  • Is any more syntactic sugar required? E.g.

    • {{ + CONTEXT (relationship = self, finding context = present, temporal != past) }}

    • {{ + CONTEXT (self, present, ! past) }}

  • Other ideas? Common profiles?

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• Ability to return attribute types (see proposal below)

  • [ attributes ] << 125605004 |Fracture of bone (disorder)|

  • << 125605004 |Fracture of bone (disorder)| . Attributes

  • << 125605004 |Fracture of bone (disorder)| . (<< 125605004 |Fracture of bone (disorder)| . Attributes )

  • [ attribute, value] << 125605004 |Fracture of bone (disorder)|

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• Reverse membership (see below)

  • Which reference sets "contain" the given concept(s) - e.g. 421235005 |Structure of femur|?

    • 421235005 |Structure of femur| . Refsets

    • 421235005 |Structure of femur|. Refsets [ referencedComponentId ]

    • 421235005 |Structure of femur| . Refsets [ targetComponentId ]

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• Other?

Returning Attributes

@michael lawley

ON HOLD -

• Currently ECL expressions can match (return) concepts that are either the source or the target of a relationship triple (target is accessed via the 'reverse' notation or 'dot notation', but not the relationship type (ie attribute name) itself. 

For example, I can write: 

<< 404684003|Clinical finding| : 363698007|Finding site| = <<66019005|Limb structure| 

<< 404684003|Clinical finding| . 363698007|Finding site| 

But I can't get all the attribute names that are used by << 404684003|Clinical finding| 

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  • Perhaps something like:

    • ? R.type ? (<< 404684003 |Clinical finding|)

  • This could be extended to, for example, return different values - e.g.

    • ? |Simple map refset|.|maptarget| ? (^|Simple map refset| AND < |Fracture|)

Reverse Member Of

@michael lawley

ON HOLD -

What refsets is a given concept (e.g. 421235005 |Structure of femur|) a member of?

• Possible new notation for this:

  • ^ . 421235005 |Structure of femur|

  • ? X ? 421235005 |Structure of femur| = ^ X

Dynamic Templates

• ON HOLD -

• Continue discussion on dynamic templates

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  • Inter-attribute dependencies
    
    

    • Acute/Chronic and Inflammation - Adding a clinical course requires specializing the inflammation morphology 

      • E.g. |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Chronic|
        should be
        |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Chronic|, |Associated morphology| = |Chronic inflammation|

      • E.g. |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration|
        should be
        |Pyelonephritis| : {|Clinical course| = |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration||, |Associated morphology| = |Acute inflammation|

    • Infectious Causative Agents - Adding a |causative agent| = |Domain Bacteria| or |Virus| requires adding a |Pathological process| = |Infectious process|

      • E.g. |Nephritis|: |Causative agent| = |Domain bacteria|
        should be
        |Nephritis|: |Causative agent| = |Domain bacteria|, |Pathological process| = |Infectious process|

    • Congenital and Acquired - Adding an |Occurrence| of |Congenital| to a focus concept with an abnormal morphology, requires adding a |Pathological process| of |Pathological development process|

      • E.g. |Koilonychia|: |Occurrence| = |Congenital|
        should be
        |Koilonychia|: |Occurrence| = |Congenital|, |Pathological process| = |Pathological developmental process|

    • Situations with Explicit Context 

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    1. if the procedure context = |Planned|, then the temporal context should be << |Current of specified time|

       1. If the procedure context = |In progress|, then the temporal context should be << |Current|

       2. If the procedure context = |Performed| or |Done|, then the temporal context should be << |Current or past (actual)|

    • Note: for this use case (of |Procedure with explicit context|) perhaps we just recommend (or require) that the full role group is spelled out.

    • Next steps

      • Representation of the content rules

        • Who creates the complete list of rules and how?

          • What formalism?

          • Determine which are mandatory and which are optional

        • Implementation of content rules - e.g.

          • Guided data entry by pre-populating role groups in expression template based on definition of focus concepts (for design-time use, such as mapping)

          • Mandatory content rules could be added to transform process

URIs for Extended Editions

ON HOLD - How to refer to an 'extended edition' using a URI - e.g. "International Edition plus the following 2 nursing modules: 733983009  |IHTSDO Nursing Health Issues module|and 733984003 |IHTSDO Nursing Activities module|

Use Case - Need to execute an ECL, that refers to "^ 733991000 | Nursing Health Issues Reference Set (foundation metadata concept) |" and/or "^ 733990004 | Nursing Activities Reference Set (foundation metadata concept) |", where the substrate includes the international edition, plus the modules that include these reference sets

July 2020 International Edition URI: http://snomed.info/sct/900000000000207008/version/20200731

July 2020 International Edition + nursing modules URI ?? - For example:

• http://snomed.info/sct/900000000000207008/version/20200731/module/733983009/time/20200131/module/733984003/time/20200131
  
  

• http://snomed.info/sct/900000000000207008/version/20200731/modules/733983009:733984003
  
  

• http://snomed.info/sct/900000000000207008:733983009:733984003/version/20200731:20190731:20200131
  
  

• Canonical order? Or order doesn't matter?

• Constraints on what can go in the additional packages (only refsets and their metadata)