2021-01-18 - OBSERVABLE Meeting

Welcome & apologies

Daniel Karlsson

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Conflicts of interest

Daniel Karlsson

None stated

Minutes from previous meeting

Daniel Karlsson

Scale Observables

Jim Campbell

Jim Case Former user (Deleted)

• Scale/score Observables for anesthesia and clinical medicine

• The Anesthesia CRG has submitted a paper to the EAG describing some of the problems of SNOMED in relation to modling of assessment scales (see )

Observables Editorial Guide

Daniel Karlsson 

Suzanne Santamaria

A review of existing Editorial Guide for Observables is due. Some pages seem dated. Comments to pages are done in a Google Doc here. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dfDd-K4hP425O_7poTA8roZ_fkAKQj0l458LGob1FBM/edit?usp=sharing

• Former user (Deleted) terming guidelines needs updating

• Many pages seem dated, e.g. Relationship between Observable Entities and NPU codes, Representing LOINC Terms with the SNOMED CT Observable Entity Model, Test Observable Entity Naming Conventions

• Wording of guidelines could be lighter on the jargon

• Examples from existing Observables as well as from the LOINC tech preview could be added

• Process for approval of changes discussed

2020-12-14:

Templates for quality and process observables.

Particularly, the boundary between quality and process observables might need discussion (presentation). There is (at least) a potential for inconsistencies unless there are clear guidance on when to use quality and process patterns respectively as there 

Former user (Deleted) what about e.g. clotting time?

Open

2021-01-18:

Comments from SNOMED staff to the EG Google Doc was discussed. Comments were added to the document. "PG agreement" as a comment in the document indicates that the project group agreed to the comment above.

Target observables

Daniel Karlsson

The issue of representation of target observables has been raised again in a Jira ticket.

The question the group needs to answer is whether targets and observables need to be seperated or to be kept apart. In practice, is there a requirement to query for both observables and "settings" alternatively is there a risk in having targets and observations mixed up?

One solution would be to (minimally) add a primitive parent "setting observable" (or just "setting") to all targets, settings, parameters, etc. in the current observables hierarchy.

2020-09-21:

Suzanne Santamaria shared with the nutrition group, will share with Jim Case

2020-11-16:

Release of content postponed to July 2021.

2020-12-14:

If time permits, go through comments from Jim Case.

Next meeting

Daniel Karlsson

Next meeting is 2021-02-08 20.00UTC (NOT ON THE 3RD MONDAY)

AOB

Daniel Karlsson