2020-11-09 - MBH-CRG Meeting

2020-11-09 - MBH-CRG Meeting

Mental and Behavioural Health CRG

Date

November 9, 2020

Attendees

  • @Former user (Deleted)

  • @Former user (Deleted)

  • @Former user (Deleted)

  • @Piper Ranallo PhD

  • @Monica Harry

  • @Elaine Wooler

Apologies

Discussion items

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Clinical findings hierarchies containing concepts describing physical symptoms with no known underlying physiologic explanation. These findings are typically qualified using the following terms:

  • somatoform

  • psychogenic

  • conversion

  • hysterical

  • functional

    • dissociative

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Discussed opportunities for stronger collaboration between SNOMED and APA



Discussed issues related to APA copyrights.

  • Can we  educate APA about SNOMED -  what it is, what it isn’t?

    • Value proposition of SNOMED to APA

  • Discussed defining exactly what it is we (MABH-CRG) are asking APA for

    • @Former user (Deleted) noted that this is what APA wanted, and has worked towards with ICD

      • Need to spell out permissions explicitly

    • Group recognized the need to educate APA about SNOMED

  • @Elaine Wooler raised the example of: terms somatic symptom disorder and the term bodily distress disorder

  • @Monica Harry noted that attribution is not allowed in SNOMED

Action items

  • Complete one or two sections completely

  • Develop a PPT presentation for APA

    • Highlight the DSM terms – allow APA to see the end product and use cases



3

Discussed term "functional disorder"







The following model represents the groups understanding of how these concepts are used clinically at least in the US:



4

What does it mean to say a concept is internationally accepted?



We need buy-in from folks from other countries, but CRG currently largely comprised of folks from the US. 

  • Does ICD11 represent the international perspective?

  • Does DSM5 represent the US perspective only?



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Meeting Summary





Meeting Files

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