2019-09-24 Anesthesia CRG Conference Call
Present
Andrew Marchant
Patrick McCormick
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Martin Hurrell (Unlicensed)
Steven Dain
CRG members
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Bruce Goldberg
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Stuart Abbott (Unlicensed)
Zac.Whitewood-Moores (Unlicensed)
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Daniel Karlsson
Suzanne Santamaria
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Jane Millar
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Monica Harry
Conference Call Details
Meeting time is 2019-09-24 20:00 UK; 15:00 US ET
Meeting ID: 337-227-676
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Discussion items
Item | Time | Description | Owner | Notes |
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| Introductions and apologies | Former user (Deleted) |
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| Minutes of previous meeting | Andrew Marchant | Review minutes from 2019-07-30 Anesthesia CRG Conference Call |
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| Matters arising from the minutes |
| Reviewed IV fluid concept progress in request browser, Toni completed multiple requests. Reviewed accidental puncture of dura, currently: Accidental puncture of dura during anesthesia (disorder) SCTID: 781129002 Need synonyms such as "Accidental dural puncture" Also "PDPH" as synonym for post dural puncture headache |
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| SNOMED updates | Former user (Deleted) | Close date Oct 3 2019 for next major release in January 2020. Malaysia meeting: October 2019 - SNOMED International Business Meetings Authoring tool upgrade Vaccine modeling Devices project update in Malaysia |
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| Anesthesia DAM - Progress and term binding | Martin Hurrell (Unlicensed) |
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| ICU Flowsheets | Steven Dain |
"Injection site" vs "IV site" - seem different semantically |
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| Next meeting |
| Tuesday, November 26, 2019 |
Comments
Monica, Patrick
Shame that we didn't get to hear of these changes from the QI project before they happened. It would have perhaps been a better solution if 398042001 | Accidental dural puncture (disorder) had been remodelled as an IS A 116224001 | Complication of procedure.
The unfortunate effects of the new term 781129002 | Accidental puncture of dura during anesthesia ( disorder) is that not all dural punctures occur during anesthesia, and we discussed some possible examples in the last CRG meeting. It also means that the synonym terms have been inactivated - one of the synonyms for 398042001 | Accidental dural puncture (disorder) being "dural tap" which is by far the commonest clinical language referral to the concept
Haven't quite worked out the best way of requesting changes to remedy the situation yet (and I am away on holiday at the moment) but might be helpful if we could have a discussion on how to get round the problems.
Best wishes
Andrew
Hi Andrew, Happy to discuss. Let's set up a call when you are back. Monica
Hi Patrick and Monica, I agree with both of you. It would be best to see Accidental dural puncture (disorder) modeled as an IS A 116224001 | Complication of procedure. I suppose to do this we need to give Accidental dural puncture (disorder) a new SCTID to acheive what we need
Some examples of accidental dural puncture not during anesthesia include:
accidental dural puncture during epidural steroid administration
accidental dural puncture during chemotherapy administration
accidental dural puncture during placement of epidural electrodes
these 3 examples should be post-coordinated of accidental dural puncture
Hello Patrick,
In response to the enquiry as to why 398042001 |Accidental dural puncture (disorder)| was inactivated: during the QI project and cleanup of Puncture wound disorder concepts it was noticed that 398042001 |Accidental dural puncture (disorder)| was modelled with an IS A “complication of anesthesia” - the FSN made no mention of procedure therefore did not reflect the modelling i.e.as per SI editorial guidelines, the concept is then ambiguous. A new concept was created to reflect the complete meaning = 781129002 |Accidental puncture of dura during anesthesia (disorder)|. Noted that Accidental dural puncture is not synonymous with Accidental puncture of dura during anesthesia so will not be accepted. Accidental puncture could result from a number of factors, not limited to anesthesia. thanks, Monica