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2021-07-29 - SLPG Meeting

2021-07-29 - SLPG Meeting

2025-Sep-05

Date & Time

20:00 to 21:00 UTC Thursday 29th July 2021

Location

Zoom meeting link (password: 764978)

Goals

  • Review updates to URI specification for unpublished content

  • Progress ECL enhancements - concept filters and access to historical refsets

Attendees 

  • Chair: Former user (Deleted)

  • Project Group: Anne Randorff Højen, Kai Kewley, michael lawley, Peter Jordan (Unlicensed), Ed Cheetham, Rob Hausam

 

Agenda and Meeting Notes

Description

Owner

Notes

Description

Owner

Notes

Welcome and agenda

Former user (Deleted)

Welcome to new attendees

URIs for unpublished content

 

2.8 URIs for Unpublished Content

2.3 Edition and Version-Relative Component URIs

Enhancements to Template Syntax

 

Enhancements include:

  • Default values

  • Slot references

  • Interslot dependencies, including 'same value' and 'all or none' constraints

  • Upgrade to ECL 1.5 (with description filters)

See

5.1 Normative Specification

7.4 Default Values for Replacement Slots

7.7 Interslot Dependencies

Outstanding features:

  • Concept filters - e.g. ability to say that the focus concept of an expression must be primitive (for proximal primitive modelling)

ECL - Concept Filters

 

Concept Filters - draft updates for review:

Concept Filters - examples

  • definitionStatusId

    • {{ C definitionStatus = primitive }}

    • {{ C definitionStatus = defined }}

    • {{ C definitionStatusId = 900000000000074008 |Not sufficiently defined by necessary conditions definition status| }}

    • {{ C definitionStatusId = 900000000000073002 |Sufficiently defined by necessary conditions definition status| }}

  • moduleId

    • {{ C moduleId = 900000000000207008 |SNOMED CT core module| }}

    • {{ C moduleId = 900000000000012004 |SNOMED CT model component module| }}

    • {{ C moduleId = 45991000052106 | SNOMED CT Sweden NRC maintained module| }}

  • effectiveTime

    • {{ C effectiveTime = "20210131" }}

    • {{ C effectiveTime <= "20210131" }}

  • active

    • {{ C active = 0 }}

    • {{ C active = 1 }}

    • {{ C active = yes }}

    • {{ C active = no }}

  • Full example

    • < 404684003 |Clinical finding| {{ C definitionStatus = primitive, effectiveTime <= "20210131", module = (900000000000207008 45991000052106), active = 1 }} {{ D term = "cardio" }}

    • < 404684003 |Clinical finding| {{ C definitionStatusId = 900000000000074008 |Not sufficiently defined by necessary conditions definition status|, effectiveTime <= "20210131", moduleId = 900000000000207008 |SNOMED CT core module|, active = yes}} {{ D term = "cardio" }}

ECL - Access to historical refsets

 

See discussion below "Querying Refset Attributes"

The items below are currently on hold

Postcoordination Topics

 

  • Discuss feedback on transformation implementation

    • Resources

    • Recap of SNOMED on FHIR discussions

      • What is the functionality scope of a terminology server that supports postcoordination? For example, does it include:

        • Classifying multiple expressions in a single substrate? What are the use cases for this?

        • Assigning (local) identifiers to expressions? What are the use cases for this?

        • Autogenerating or assigning a term to an expression? What are the use cases for this?

      • Does a terminology server that supports postcoordination, include all the functions of an expression repository?

      • What is the relationship between a terminology server that supports postcoordination, and an expression repository?

    • Outstanding questions

      • What are the pros and cons of extending SCG to allow an expression as the focus of a postcoordinated expression?

        • Note: This was raised in context of a NNF generated over a postcoordinated substrate, where the proximal parent is an expression

      • Example of using expressions in focus concept

        • ( 125605004 |Fracture of bone|:363698007 |finding site| = 84167007 |Foot bone| ) : 
          272741003 |Laterality| = 7771000 |Left|

        • 125605004 |Fracture of bone|:363698007 |finding site| = 84167007 |Foot bone| , 
          272741003 |Laterality| = 7771000 |Left|

      • What is the expected NNF when classifying an expression that is equivalent to a precoordinated concept? For example:

        • Expression that is equivalent to 111273006 |Acute respiratory disease|

        • 64572001 | Disease (disorder) | :
          {263502005 |Clinical course (attribute)| = 424124008 |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration (qualifier value)|}
          {363698007 |Finding site (attribute)| = 89187006 |Airway structure (body structure)|}

        • Options:

          1. 111273006 |Acute respiratory disease| :
            {263502005 |Clinical course| = 424124008 |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration|}
            {363698007 |Finding site| = 89187006 |Airway structure|}

          2. 50043002 |Disorder of respiratory system (disorder)| +
            2704003 |Acute disease (disorder)| :
            {263502005 |Clinical course| = 424124008 |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration|}
            {363698007 |Finding site| = 89187006 |Airway structure|}

          3. Other?

    • Recap of internal discussions with Content Team

      • Inter-attribute dependencies

      • Grouping rules

Dynamic Templates

 

  • Continue discussion on dynamic templates

    • Inter-attribute dependencies

      • Acute/Chronic and Inflammation - Adding a clinical course requires specializing the inflammation morphology 

        • E.g. |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Chronic|
          should be
          |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Chronic|, |Associated morphology| = |Chronic inflammation|

        • E.g. |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration|
          should be
          |Pyelonephritis| : {|Clinical course| = |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration||, |Associated morphology| = |Acute inflammation|

      • Infectious Causative Agents - Adding a |causative agent| = |Domain Bacteria| or |Virus| requires adding a |Pathological process| = |Infectious process|

        • E.g. |Nephritis|: |Causative agent| = |Domain bacteria|
          should be
          |Nephritis|: |Causative agent| = |Domain bacteria|, |Pathological process| = |Infectious process|

      • Congenital and Acquired - Adding an |Occurrence| of |Congenital| to a focus concept with an abnormal morphology, requires adding a |Pathological process| of |Pathological development process|

        • E.g. |Koilonychia|: |Occurrence| = |Congenital|
          should be
          |Koilonychia|: |Occurrence| = |Congenital|, |Pathological process| = |Pathological developmental process|

      • Situations with Explicit Context 

      1. if the procedure context = |Planned|, then the temporal context should be << |Current of specified time|

        1. If the procedure context = |In progress|, then the temporal context should be << |Current|

        2. If the procedure context = |Performed| or |Done|, then the temporal context should be << |Current or past (actual)|

      • Note: for this use case (of |Procedure with explicit context|) perhaps we just recommend (or require) that the full role group is spelled out.

      • Next steps

        • Representation of the content rules

          • Who creates the complete list of rules and how?

            • What formalism?

            • Determine which are mandatory and which are optional

          • Implementation of content rules - e.g.

            • Guided data entry by pre-populating role groups in expression template based on definition of focus concepts (for design-time use, such as mapping)

            • Mandatory content rules could be added to transform process

Postcoordination Use Case Examples

All

Example 1 - Dentistry / Odontogram

  • Requires an expression template to create expressions.

  • Resulting expression still requires a transformation to make it classifiable

Example 2 - Terminology binding

  • Uses a fixed expression template to combine codes entered into separate fields

  • The procedure+laterality example still requires a transformation to make it classifiable

Example 3 - Mapping

  • Design-time activity

  • Map targets may not be able to be fully represented using concept model attributes

  • In many cases, an extension (with primitive concepts) should be recommended where there are gaps in the mapping

  • There may be some cases in which postcoordination is helpful (e.g. LOINC to SNOMED CT map)

Example 4 - Natural Language Processing

  • Usually run-time activity.

  • May require manual confirmation of coding suggestions (unless low clinical risk, eg for suggesting relevant patient records for manual review)

Postcoordination Guidance

Former user (Deleted) , Anne Randorff Højen , Kai Kewley

Practical Guide to Postcoordination

  • Proposal - Use syntax (i.e. braces) to distinguish refinement vs new role group

  • Proposal: Expression forms needed for this (see 3.4 Transforming Expressions)

    • Close to user form - e.g. 83152002 |Oophorectomy| :  405815000 |Procedure device|  =  122456005 |Laser device|

    • Canonical close to user form - e.g. 83152002:405815000=122456005

    • Classifiable form (SCG) - e.g. 83152002:{260686004=129304002,405813007=15497006,405815000=122456005}

      • PLUS Classifiable form (OWL) - e.g.  

        • EquivalentClasses(:123063
             ObjectIntersectionOf (:71388002
                 ObjectSomeValuesFrom(:609096000 ObjectIntersectionOf( ObjectSomeValuesFrom(:260686004 :129304002)
                 ObjectSomeValuesFrom(:405813007 :15497006))))

    • Necessary normal form - e.g. 83152002+416376001:{260686004=129304002,405813007=15497006,405815000=122456005}

      • PLUS Necessary normal form (tables)

        • Relationships:

          • (123063 116680003 83152002) - 0

          • (123063 260686004 129304002) - 0 

          • (123063 405813007 15497006) - 1

          • (123063 405815000 122456005) - 1

    • Primitive expressions - "<<<" (only useful in a mapping context) → .... relies on the assigned identifier (which are necessarily semantically unique).

The items below are currently on hold

Other Options for Future Progress

 

  1. URIs for draft editions

  2. ECL extensions

    1. Primitive/Defined filters → concept filter

    2. Concept+Description filters (e.g. effectiveTime, module, active)

    3. Accessing Refset attributes → (e.g. historical association refsets) → historical ECL

    4. OR use full syntax to be able to query any table (e.g. Relationship table) - ie expand ECL into something more verbose (e.g. SNOMED query language)

  3. Template extensions

URIs for Extended Editions

 

ON HOLD - How to refer to an 'extended edition' using a URI - e.g. "International Edition plus the following 2 nursing modules: 733983009  |IHTSDO Nursing Health Issues module|and 733984003 |IHTSDO Nursing Activities module|

Use Case - Need to execute an ECL, that refers to "^ 733991000 | Nursing Health Issues Reference Set (foundation metadata concept) |" and/or "^ 733990004 | Nursing Activities Reference Set (foundation metadata concept) |", where the substrate includes the international edition, plus the modules that include these reference sets

July 2020 International Edition URI: http://snomed.info/sct/900000000000207008/version/20200731

July 2020 International Edition + nursing modules URI ?? - For example:

Querying Refset Attributes

Former user (Deleted)

ON HOLD - Proposed syntax to support querying and return of alternative refset attributes (To be included in the SNOMED Query Language)

  • Example use cases

    • Execution of maps from international substance concepts to AMT substance concepts

    • Find the anatomical parts of a given anatomy structure concept (in |Anatomy structure and part association reference set)

    • Find potential replacement concepts for an inactive concept in record

    • Find the order of a given concept in an Ordered component reference set

    • Find a concept with a given order in an Ordered component reference set

  • Potential syntax to consider (brainstorming ideas)

    • SELECT ??

      • SELECT 123 |referenced component|, 456 |target component|
        FROM 799 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|
        WHERE 123 |referenced component| = (< 888 |Upper abdomen structure| {{ term = "*heart*" }} )

      • SELECT id, moduleId
        FROM concept
        WHERE id IN (< |Clinical finding|)
        AND definitionStatus = |primitive|

      • SELECT id, moduleId
        FROM concept, ECL("< |Clinical finding") CF
        WHERE concept.id = CF.sctid
        AND definitionStatus = |primitive|

      • SELECT ??? |id|, ??? |moduleId|
        FROM concept ( < |Clinical finding| {{ term = "*heart*" }} {{ definitionStatus = |primitive| }} )

      • Question - Can we assume some table joins - e.g. Concept.id = Description.conceptId etc ??

      • Examples

        • Try to recast relationships table as a Refset table → + graph-based extension

        • Find primitive concepts in a hierarchy

    • ROW ... ?

      • ROWOF (|Anatomy structure and part association refset|) ? (|referenced component| , |target component|)

        • same as: ^ |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ROWOF (|Anatomy structure and part association refset|) . |referenced component|

        • same as: ^ |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ROWOF (|Anatomy structure and part association refset|) {{ |referenced component| = << |Upper abdomen structure|}} ? |targetComponentId|

      • ROWOF (< 900000000000496009|Simple map type reference set| {{ term = "*My hospital*"}}) {{ 449608002|Referenced component| = 80581009 |Upper abdomen structure|}} ? 900000000000505001 |Map target|

        • (ROW (< 900000000000496009|Simple map type reference set| {{ term = "*My hospital*"}}) : 449608002|Referenced component| = 80581009 |Upper abdomen structure| ).900000000000505001 |Map target|

    • # ... ?

      • # |Anatomy structure and part association refset| ? |referenced component\

      • # (|Anatomy struture and part association refset| {{|referenced component| = << |Upper abdomen structure|) ? |targetComponentid|

    • ? notation + Filter refinement

      • |Anatomy structure and part association refset| ? |targetComponentId|

      • |Anatomy structure and part association refset| ? |referencedComponent| (Same as ^ |Anatomy structure and part association refset|)
        (|Anatomy structure and part association refset| {{ |referencedComponent| = << |Upper abdomen structure}} )? |targetComponentId|

      • ( |Anatomy structure and part association refset| {{ |targetComponentId| = << |Upper abdomen structure}} ) ? |referencedComponent|

      • ( |My ordered component refset|: |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure ) ? |priority order|

      • ? |My ordered component refset| {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} . |priority order|

      • ? |My ordered component refset| . |referenced component|

        • equivalent to ^ |My ordered component refset|

      • ? (<|My ordered component refset|) {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} . |priority order|

      • ? (<|My ordered component refset| {{ term = "*map"}} ) {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} . |priority order|

      • REFSETROWS (<|My ordered component refset| {{ term = "*map"}} ) {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} SELECT |priority order|

    • Specify value to be returned

      • ? 449608002 |Referenced component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ^ 734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset| (Same as previous)

      • ? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset| :
        449608002 |ReferencedComponent| = << |Upper abdomen structure|

      • ? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|
        {{ 449608002 |referencedComponent| = << |Upper abdomen structure| }}

      • (? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset| :
        449608002 |ReferencedComponent| = (<< |Upper abdomen structure|) : |Finding site| = *)

Returning Attributes

michael lawley

ON HOLD - Proposal (by Michael) for discussion

  • Currently ECL expressions can match (return) concepts that are either the source or the target of a relationship triple (target is accessed via the 'reverse' notation or 'dot notation', but not the relationship type (ie attribute name) itself. 

For example, I can write: 

<< 404684003|Clinical finding| : 363698007|Finding site| = <<66019005|Limb structure| 

<< 404684003|Clinical finding| . 363698007|Finding site| 

But I can't get all the attribute names that are used by << 404684003|Clinical finding| 

    • Perhaps something like:

      • ? R.type ? (<< 404684003 |Clinical finding|)

    • This could be extended to, for example, return different values - e.g.

      • ? |Simple map refset|.|maptarget| ? (^|Simple map refset| AND < |Fracture|)

Reverse Member Of

michael lawley

ON HOLD - Proposal for discussion

What refsets is a given concept (e.g. 421235005 |Structure of femur|) a member of?

  • Possible new notation for this:

    • ^ . 421235005 |Structure of femur|

    • ? X ? 421235005 |Structure of femur| = ^ X

Expression Templates

Peter Williams

  • ON HOLD WAITING FROM IMPLEMENTATION FEEDBACK FROM INTERNAL TECH TEAM

  • WIP version - https://snomed.atlassian.net/wiki/display/WIPSTS/Template+Syntax+Specification

      • Added a 'default' constraint to each replacement slot - e.g. default (72673000 |Bone structure (body structure)|)

      • Enabling 'slot references' to be used within the value constraint of a replacement slot - e.g. [[ +id (<< 123037004 |Body structure| MINUS << $findingSite2) @findingSite1]]

      • Allowing repeating role groups to be referenced using an array - e.g. $rolegroup[1] or $rolegroup[!=SELF]

      • Allow reference to 'SELF' in role group arrays

      • Adding 'sameValue' and 'allOrNone' constraints to information slots - e.g. sameValue ($site), allOrNone ($occurrence)

      • See changes in red here: 5.1. Normative Specification

Examples:

[[+id]]: [[1..*] @my_group sameValue(morphology)] { |Finding site| = [[ +id (<<123037004 |Body structure (body structure)| MINUS << $site[! SELF ] ) @site ]] , |Associated morphology| = [[ +id @my_morphology ]]}

  • Implementation feedback on draft updates to Expression Template Language syntax

    • Use cases from the Quality Improvement Project:

      • Multiple instances of the same role group, with some attributes the same and others different. Eg same morphology, potentially different finding sites.

Note that QI Project is coming from a radically different use case. Instead of filling template slots, we're looking at existing content and asking "exactly how does this concept fail to comply to this template?"

For discussion:

{"timestamp":1792736209174,"msg":"A unknown Exception Occurred","errorMsg":"The provided AtlassianHostUser did not specify a user to act as.","code":"500"}

Is it correct to say either one of the cardinality blocks is redundant? What are the implications of 1..1 on either side? This is less obvious for the self grouped case.

Road Forward for SI

  1. Generate the parser from the ABNF and implement in the Template Service

  2. User Interface to a) allow users to specify template at runtime b) tabular (auto-completion) lookup → STL

  3. Template Service to allow multiple templates to be specified for alignment check (aligns to none-off)

  4. Output must clearly indicate exactly what feature of concept caused misalignment, and what condition was not met.

Additional note: QI project is no longer working in subhierarchies. Every 'set' of concepts is selected via ECL. In fact most reports should now move to this way of working since a subhierarchy is the trivial case. For a given template, we additionally specify the "domain" to which it should be applied via ECL. This is much more specific than using the focus concept which is usually the PPP eg Disease.

FYI Michael Chu

Description Templates

Kai Kewley

  • ON HOLD

  • Previous discussion (in Malaysia)

      • Overview of current use

      • Review of General rules for generating descriptions

        • Removing tags, words

        • Conditional removal of words

        • Automatic case significance

        • Generating PTs from target PTs

        • Reordering terms

      • Mechanism for sharing general rules - inheritance? include?

      • Description Templates for translation

      • Status of planned specification

Query Language
- Summary from previous meetings

 

 

 

Former user (Deleted)

FUTURE WORK

Examples: version and dialect

Notes

    • Allow nested where, version, language

    • Scope of variables is inner query

 

Agenda and Meeting Notes

Description

Owner

Notes

Description

Owner

Notes

Welcome and agenda

Former user (Deleted)

 

Postcoordination Transformations

 

  • Discuss feedback on transformation implementation

    • Recap from last meeting

      • Agreed to always use "===" at the start of the classifiable form (to indicate that it is ready for classification.

      • Try the expression transformation service to see the current transformation result and retrieve the classifiable form and the necessary normal form

      • Contribute your expression examples and write your feedback for consideration and discussion

      • Discussed the NNF output for expressions that are equivalent to a precoordinated concept - Did we reach a decision?

    • Questions for discussion

      • What is the expected NNF when classifying an expression that is equivalent to a precoordinated concept? For example:

        • Expression that is equivalent to 111273006 |Acute respiratory disease|

        • 64572001 | Disease (disorder) | :
          {
          263502005 |Clinical course (attribute)| = 424124008 |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration (qualifier value)|
          }{
          363698007 |Finding site (attribute)| = 89187006 |Airway structure (body structure)|
          }

        • Options:

          1. 111273006 |Acute respiratory disease| :
            {
            263502005 |Clinical course| = 424124008 |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration|
            }{
            363698007 |Finding site| = 89187006 |Airway structure|
            }

          2. 50043002 |Disorder of respiratory system (disorder)| +
            2704003 |Acute disease (disorder)| :
            {
            263502005 |Clinical course| = 424124008 |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration|
            }{
            363698007 |Finding site| = 89187006 |Airway structure|
            }

          3. Other?

      • What is the functionality scope of a terminology server that supports postcoordination?

        • What are the use cases for classifying multiple expressions into a single substrate?

        • What are the use cases for assigning (local) identifiers to expressions?

        • Are these functionalities supported by the terminology server and/or an expression repository?

        • What is the relationship between the terminology server and the expression repository?

        • What are the use cases in which a term needs to be autogenerated for an expression?

Dynamic Templates

 

  • Continue discussion on dynamic templates

    • Inter-attribute dependencies

      • Acute/Chronic and Inflammation - Adding a clinical course requires specializing the inflammation morphology 

        • E.g. |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Chronic|
          should be
          |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Chronic|, |Associated morphology| = |Chronic inflammation|

        • E.g. |Pyelonephritis| : |Clinical course| = |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration|
          should be
          |Pyelonephritis| : {|Clinical course| = |Sudden onset AND/OR short duration||, |Associated morphology| = |Acute inflammation|

      • Infectious Causative Agents - Adding a |causative agent| = |Domain Bacteria| or |Virus| requires adding a |Pathological process| = |Infectious process|

        • E.g. |Nephritis|: |Causative agent| = |Domain bacteria|
          should be
          |Nephritis|: |Causative agent| = |Domain bacteria|, |Pathological process| = |Infectious process|

      • Congenital and Acquired - Adding an |Occurrence| of |Congenital| to a focus concept with an abnormal morphology, requires adding a |Pathological process| of |Pathological development process|

        • E.g. |Koilonychia|: |Occurrence| = |Congenital|
          should be
          |Koilonychia|: |Occurrence| = |Congenital|, |Pathological process| = |Pathological developmental process|

      • Situations with Explicit Context 

      1. if the procedure context = |Planned|, then the temporal context should be << |Current of specified time|

        1. If the procedure context = |In progress|, then the temporal context should be << |Current|

        2. If the procedure context = |Performed| or |Done|, then the temporal context should be << |Current or past (actual)|

      • Note: for this use case (of |Procedure with explicit context|) perhaps we just recommend (or require) that the full role group is spelled out.

      • Next steps

        • Representation of the content rules

          • Who creates the complete list of rules and how?

            • What formalism?

            • Determine which are mandatory and which are optional

          • Implementation of content rules - e.g.

            • Guided data entry by pre-populating role groups in expression template based on definition of focus concepts (for design-time use, such as mapping)

            • Mandatory content rules could be added to transform process

Postcoordination Use Case Examples

All

Example 1 - Dentistry / Odontogram

  • Requires an expression template to create expressions.

  • Resulting expression still requires a transformation to make it classifiable

Example 2 - Terminology binding

  • Uses a fixed expression template to combine codes entered into separate fields

  • The procedure+laterality example still requires a transformation to make it classifiable

Example 3 - Mapping

  • Design-time activity

  • Map targets may not be able to be fully represented using concept model attributes

  • In many cases, an extension (with primitive concepts) should be recommended where there are gaps in the mapping

  • There may be some cases in which postcoordination is helpful (e.g. LOINC to SNOMED CT map)

Example 4 - Natural Language Processing

  • Usually run-time activity.

  • May require manual confirmation of coding suggestions (unless low clinical risk, eg for suggesting relevant patient records for manual review)

Postcoordination Guidance

Former user (Deleted) , Anne Randorff Højen , Kai Kewley

Practical Guide to Postcoordination

  • Proposal - Use syntax (i.e. braces) to distinguish refinement vs new role group

  • Proposal: Expression forms needed for this (see 3.4 Transforming Expressions)

    • Close to user form - e.g. 83152002 |Oophorectomy| :  405815000 |Procedure device|  =  122456005 |Laser device|

    • Canonical close to user form - e.g. 83152002:405815000=122456005

    • Classifiable form (SCG) - e.g. 83152002:{260686004=129304002,405813007=15497006,405815000=122456005}

      • PLUS Classifiable form (OWL) - e.g.  

        • EquivalentClasses(:123063
             ObjectIntersectionOf (:71388002
                 ObjectSomeValuesFrom(:609096000 ObjectIntersectionOf( ObjectSomeValuesFrom(:260686004 :129304002)
                 ObjectSomeValuesFrom(:405813007 :15497006))))

    • Necessary normal form - e.g. 83152002+416376001:{260686004=129304002,405813007=15497006,405815000=122456005}

      • PLUS Necessary normal form (tables)

        • Relationships:

          • (123063 116680003 83152002) - 0

          • (123063 260686004 129304002) - 0 

          • (123063 405813007 15497006) - 1

          • (123063 405815000 122456005) - 1

    • Primitive expressions - "<<<" (only useful in a mapping context) → .... relies on the assigned identifier (which are necessarily semantically unique).

The items below are currently on hold

Other Options for Future Progress

 

  1. ECL extensions

    1. Primitive/Defined filters → concept filter

    2. Concept+Description filters (e.g. effectiveTime, module, active)

    3. Accessing Refset attributes → (e.g. historical association refsets) → historical ECL

    4. OR use full syntax to be able to query any table (e.g. Relationship table) - ie expand ECL into something more verbose (e.g. SNOMED query language)

  2. Template extensions

URIs for Extended Editions

 

ON HOLD - How to refer to an 'extended edition' using a URI - e.g. "International Edition plus the following 2 nursing modules: 733983009  |IHTSDO Nursing Health Issues module|and 733984003 |IHTSDO Nursing Activities module|

Use Case - Need to execute an ECL, that refers to "^ 733991000 | Nursing Health Issues Reference Set (foundation metadata concept) |" and/or "^ 733990004 | Nursing Activities Reference Set (foundation metadata concept) |", where the substrate includes the international edition, plus the modules that include these reference sets

July 2020 International Edition URI: http://snomed.info/sct/900000000000207008/version/20200731

July 2020 International Edition + nursing modules URI ?? - For example:

Querying Refset Attributes

Former user (Deleted)

ON HOLD - Proposed syntax to support querying and return of alternative refset attributes (To be included in the SNOMED Query Language)

  • Example use cases

    • Execution of maps from international substance concepts to AMT substance concepts

    • Find the anatomical parts of a given anatomy structure concept (in |Anatomy structure and part association reference set)

    • Find potential replacement concepts for an inactive concept in record

    • Find the order of a given concept in an Ordered component reference set

    • Find a concept with a given order in an Ordered component reference set

  • Potential syntax to consider (brainstorming ideas)

    • SELECT ??

      • SELECT 123 |referenced component|, 456 |target component|
        FROM 799 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|
        WHERE 123 |referenced component| = (< 888 |Upper abdomen structure| {{ term = "*heart*" }} )

      • SELECT id, moduleId
        FROM concept
        WHERE id IN (< |Clinical finding|)
        AND definitionStatus = |primitive|

      • SELECT id, moduleId
        FROM concept, ECL("< |Clinical finding") CF
        WHERE concept.id = CF.sctid
        AND definitionStatus = |primitive|

      • SELECT ??? |id|, ??? |moduleId|
        FROM concept ( < |Clinical finding| {{ term = "*heart*" }} {{ definitionStatus = |primitive| }} )

      • Question - Can we assume some table joins - e.g. Concept.id = Description.conceptId etc ??

      • Examples

        • Try to recast relationships table as a Refset table → + graph-based extension

        • Find primitive concepts in a hierarchy

    • ROW ... ?

      • ROWOF (|Anatomy structure and part association refset|) ? (|referenced component| , |target component|)

        • same as: ^ |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ROWOF (|Anatomy structure and part association refset|) . |referenced component|

        • same as: ^ |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ROWOF (|Anatomy structure and part association refset|) {{ |referenced component| = << |Upper abdomen structure|}} ? |targetComponentId|

      • ROWOF (< 900000000000496009|Simple map type reference set| {{ term = "*My hospital*"}}) {{ 449608002|Referenced component| = 80581009 |Upper abdomen structure|}} ? 900000000000505001 |Map target|

        • (ROW (< 900000000000496009|Simple map type reference set| {{ term = "*My hospital*"}}) : 449608002|Referenced component| = 80581009 |Upper abdomen structure| ).900000000000505001 |Map target|

    • # ... ?

      • # |Anatomy structure and part association refset| ? |referenced component\

      • # (|Anatomy struture and part association refset| {{|referenced component| = << |Upper abdomen structure|) ? |targetComponentid|

    • ? notation + Filter refinement

      • |Anatomy structure and part association refset| ? |targetComponentId|

      • |Anatomy structure and part association refset| ? |referencedComponent| (Same as ^ |Anatomy structure and part association refset|)
        (|Anatomy structure and part association refset| {{ |referencedComponent| = << |Upper abdomen structure}} )? |targetComponentId|

      • ( |Anatomy structure and part association refset| {{ |targetComponentId| = << |Upper abdomen structure}} ) ? |referencedComponent|

      • ( |My ordered component refset|: |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure ) ? |priority order|

      • ? |My ordered component refset| {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} . |priority order|

      • ? |My ordered component refset| . |referenced component|

        • equivalent to ^ |My ordered component refset|

      • ? (<|My ordered component refset|) {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} . |priority order|

      • ? (<|My ordered component refset| {{ term = "*map"}} ) {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} . |priority order|

      • REFSETROWS (<|My ordered component refset| {{ term = "*map"}} ) {{ |Referenced component| = |Upper abdomen structure| }} SELECT |priority order|

    • Specify value to be returned

      • ? 449608002 |Referenced component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ^ 734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset| (Same as previous)

      • ? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|

      • ? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset| :
        449608002 |ReferencedComponent| = << |Upper abdomen structure|

      • ? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset|
        {{ 449608002 |referencedComponent| = << |Upper abdomen structure| }}

      • (? 900000000000533001 |Association target component|?
        734139008 |Anatomy structure and part association refset| :
        449608002 |ReferencedComponent| = (<< |Upper abdomen structure|) : |Finding site| = *)

Returning Attributes

michael lawley

ON HOLD - Proposal (by Michael) for discussion

  • Currently ECL expressions can match (return) concepts that are either the source or the target of a relationship triple (target is accessed via the 'reverse' notation or 'dot notation', but not the relationship type (ie attribute name) itself. 

For example, I can write: 

<< 404684003|Clinical finding| : 363698007|Finding site| = <<66019005|Limb structure| 

<< 404684003|Clinical finding| . 363698007|Finding site| 

But I can't get all the attribute names that are used by << 404684003|Clinical finding| 

    • Perhaps something like:

      • ? R.type ? (<< 404684003 |Clinical finding|)

    • This could be extended to, for example, return different values - e.g.

      • ? |Simple map refset|.|maptarget| ? (^|Simple map refset| AND < |Fracture|)

Reverse Member Of

michael lawley

ON HOLD - Proposal for discussion

What refsets is a given concept (e.g. 421235005 |Structure of femur|) a member of?

  • Possible new notation for this:

    • ^ . 421235005 |Structure of femur|

    • ? X ? 421235005 |Structure of femur| = ^ X

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